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by Jackpot
December 13th, 2017, 11:08 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Below is a video that demonstrates the kind of lies i detest. Note that the performer (Osterlind) not only miscalls the page, but has the gall to TELL the volunteer which word she is thinking of! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvmobtjsLw&sns=em Mr. Keyes, Would you be so kind as to identify a...
by Jackpot
December 13th, 2017, 9:36 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Below is a video that demonstrates the kind of lies i detest. Note that the performer (Osterlind) not only miscalls the page, but has the gall to TELL the volunteer which word she is thinking of! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvmobtjsLw&sns=em Mr. Keyes, Would you be so kind as to identify a...
by Jackpot
December 12th, 2017, 11:35 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

performer's challenge sounds interesting. I wonder where Mr. Henderson's performance will fall on the Keyes Lying Scale. To be the most entertaining all the lies need to be allowed. To see what happens when none of the lies are allowed, mute the video to see just how entertaining magic can be withou...
by Jackpot
December 12th, 2017, 3:26 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

performer wrote:All I can say after attempting to read the salient parts of this discussion is that there are lies and lies.


To be more precise, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- Benjamin Disraeli.

(Attributing this statement to Disraeli is possibly a lie.)
by Jackpot
December 10th, 2017, 1:25 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Pondering the many thoughts that have been offered on this thread, it gave me a clearer understanding of why (in my opinion) the use of ordinary objects is very desirable in magic. I think that while people don't like being overtly lied to, they don't like to be deceived in general, whether or not ...
by Jackpot
December 10th, 2017, 12:04 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Pondering the many thoughts that have been offered on this thread, it gave me a clearer understanding of why (in my opinion) the use of ordinary objects is very desirable in magic. I think that while people don't like being overtly lied to, they don't like to be deceived in general, whether or not ...
by Jackpot
December 9th, 2017, 8:51 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

jkeyes1000 wrote:I think both I and Mr. Henderson have a sense of certainty. I acknowledge that there is no practical way of establishing a contention involving so many variables and so much subjective emotion.


Your acquiescence is admirable.
by Jackpot
December 9th, 2017, 8:07 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

1. Your understanding of the psychology of the audience is limited to the assumption that they just want to have a good time and don't really mind being lied to if it provides them a momentary diversion. 2. My belief is that people come to see a magic show to be impressed by a performer whose speci...
by Jackpot
December 9th, 2017, 6:08 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Who is going to be impressed by a magician who needs to lie in order to saw a woman in half? "I'm sure many of you think you know the secret to this classic illusion, but I can assure you there is but one woman in the box." That is the stuff of Comedy, funny because it is the opposite of ...
by Jackpot
December 5th, 2017, 10:59 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

The issue Mr. Keyes initially raised is not without merit, and what he brought up is not entirely new ground. For example in Our Magic Devant wrote: "The bogus scientific explanation is an excellent excuse for a feat of magic, but it should always have a basis of probability -- or rather, possi...
by Jackpot
December 4th, 2017, 10:26 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

In other words: don't try to "con" them. You can fool some of the people some of the time....But the ones that aren't fooled may very well whisper in their ears. Mr. Henderson has pointed to Geller and Randi a few times before. While Geller was doing his thing Randi didn't just whisper, h...
by Jackpot
December 3rd, 2017, 10:33 pm
Forum: Platform & Stage Magic
Topic: "Water Into REAL WINE" by John Keyes
Replies: 17
Views: 1702

Re: "Water Into REAL WINE" by John Keyes

If you offered any wine expert a glass of white wine dyed red they would be immediately getting “red flags” that what they are tasting and smelling should normally be a white wine. They would then look at the colour and see that the redness is from some sort of colouring agent added to the wine and...
by Jackpot
December 3rd, 2017, 9:14 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

As the curtain rose The Great Blandini said, "I can neither confirm nor deny that deception will be used during my performance this evening. Now that we have that out of the way, on with the show...." The next day when asked if he enjoyed the show, the audience member named Joe replied. &q...
by Jackpot
December 3rd, 2017, 2:18 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Lies are a "let down". And people are going to find out about them, just as surely as they are going to eventually discover the moves and the mechanisms. If the magician is a poor performer people will find out almost immediately the moves, mechanisms and lies. If the performer is skilled...
by Jackpot
December 3rd, 2017, 1:51 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

performer wrote:Ah! I think we are getting somewhere now! I think one of the problems of this discussion is what constitutes a lie and what doesn't.


That has been a problem from the initial post and why some asked for a clear definition.
by Jackpot
December 2nd, 2017, 10:27 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Mr. Keyes, Compared to your initial post, your original position appears to have modified as the topic progressed. Originally you asked, "Is it really a good idea for magicians to lie to the audience? I think not." You were very black and white about lying. You also wrote something which s...
by Jackpot
December 2nd, 2017, 9:30 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5425
Views: 1905110

Re: ERDNASE

Mr. Mullins writes: "Again with the exaggerations... When you continue to repeat something so demonstrably, obviously wrong, it really dilutes the rest of your arguments." I agree with the above statement and would like to add: There are things about which I don't have much knowledge and i...
by Jackpot
December 1st, 2017, 12:42 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

jkeyes1000 wrote:How will they know you are lying is the wrong question. How can you enhance their astonishment is the promary concern.


I absolutely agree. A magician should use the most effective of the methods which he is competent in using.
by Jackpot
December 1st, 2017, 12:24 am
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Magic on Demand
Replies: 22
Views: 1661

Re: Magic on Demand

A version of "two in the hand, one in the pocket" using change, especially borrowed coins. A routine where the coins are different (looking for inspiration from Eddie Joseph's "Back Again" or "Nuts to You" from Bobo) are more effective than a version in which all "...
by Jackpot
November 29th, 2017, 1:22 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Pondering the many thoughts that have been offered on this thread, it gave me a clearer understanding of why (in my opinion) the use of ordinary objects is very desirable in ... (Caution: These are opinions based on my own personal and empirical experience, and I have no data or studies to back the...
by Jackpot
November 29th, 2017, 10:41 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Would it not have been better to assert that "it is generally better to show rather than tell," (advice one sees often in the magic world) rather than to declare that any time a magician lies he creates a negative image of himself; that he should never ever lie? While performing the first...
by Jackpot
November 28th, 2017, 12:34 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

I merely gave an example of my definition of a lie. Whether or not the audience objects is not for me to predict. What I am suggesting is that this is a statement whose purpose is to deny that there are pills secreted in the bottle. Which I see as an unnecessary risk to the performer's cred, I have...
by Jackpot
November 27th, 2017, 11:39 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5425
Views: 1905110

Re: ERDNASE

observer wrote:
AJM wrote:Can’t we just agree that Gallaway is/was Erdnase <>

Just sayin’
Peace and Love
Andrew


Was Erdnase ... Spartacus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCmyiljKo0


Perhaps so. This picture does put a deck of cards in his hands.
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by Jackpot
November 27th, 2017, 11:00 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

I merely gave an example of my definition of a lie. Whether or not the audience objects is not for me to predict. What I am suggesting is that this is a statement whose purpose is to deny that there are pills secreted in the bottle. Which I see as an unnecessary risk to the performer's cred, I have...
by Jackpot
November 27th, 2017, 11:04 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

I think Mr. Henderson has got plenty of rope. Since this statement is not a fact (and depending on which of the two definitions one chooses) it is either a lie or an illusion. Since I think the poster truly believes the statement I'm going with illusion. Lie is too harsh a term for our discussion h...
by Jackpot
November 25th, 2017, 11:37 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

Anyone here that believes their audience favours their aptitude for lying is either deluded or simply yapping to contradict me. The problem I am addressing is the difficulty of restoring your dignity after losing it. Can a lier hope to convince the crowd that NOW he is teling the truth? That bit ab...
by Jackpot
November 25th, 2017, 9:22 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Re: Ennobling Magic

jkeyes1000 wrote:"Silly" to have real rather thsn feigned integrity?


While you are entitled to your opinion, I find it "silly" to label a person as dishonest or lacking strong moral principles simply because they tell "lies" to enhance a conjuring effect.
by Jackpot
November 24th, 2017, 10:42 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 521
Views: 12975

Ennobling Magic

Jonathan Townsend wrote:What do you mean by lie?


I have the same question. Without a clear definition I don't see how anyone can answer the original post.
by Jackpot
November 19th, 2017, 9:47 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: The December Issue of Genii is Now Live Online!
Replies: 11
Views: 902

Re: The December Issue of Genii is Now Live Online!

Jack Shalom wrote:Great cover. Who designed it?


Information can be found at the bottom of the left hand column on page 5.
by Jackpot
November 14th, 2017, 9:47 pm
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Scotch and Soda Repair
Replies: 1
Views: 308

Scotch and Soda Repair

My son-in-law is visiting and the copper-silver part of his S&S has separated. Any ideas on how to best reattach them?

Thank you.
Jackpot
by Jackpot
November 5th, 2017, 12:18 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Devilish
Replies: 21
Views: 1490

Re: Devilish

In searching images, it looks like touring magicians had some posters with the devil and some without. Perhaps they were strategic about which posters they used to advertise they shows depending on the location they were performing in.
by Jackpot
October 30th, 2017, 10:09 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Fantasio - RIP
Replies: 5
Views: 707

Re: Fantasio - RIP

While both magicians and The Beatles performed on The Ed Sullivan Show, Kaps followed the band in their Feb. 9, 1964 debut. Fantasio appeared when they were on the show on Sept. 12, 1965.
by Jackpot
October 24th, 2017, 11:41 pm
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Bammo Card Walloper
Replies: 23
Views: 3662

Re: Bammo Card Walloper

These items are on Walmart site but they are being sold by third parties (MJM Magic, Inc. and Books Direct). And performer thought it was just YouTube ruining magic on the internet.
by Jackpot
October 20th, 2017, 12:22 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5425
Views: 1905110

Re: ERDNASE

Tom Sawyer writes in his blog regarding the "3rd cousin once removed" issue: It would be nice if, before the fact, someone had said, “I will accept any relative within such-and-such boundaries." ... If you set forth the criteria in advance, at least you can be certain that you are no...
by Jackpot
October 19th, 2017, 2:15 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5425
Views: 1905110

Re: ERDNASE

Comparing a poem to prose makes no sense. Erdnase didn't write his book in verse. Two completely different genres. The remarkable thing with Erdnase is that he wrote a highly technical book very eloquently. Show me a technical article by Sanders that displays that kind of eloquence. Gallway's books...
by Jackpot
October 17th, 2017, 5:03 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5425
Views: 1905110

Re: ERDNASE

Smith remembered that Erdnase said he was related to Louis Dalrymple. Even if your tree is correct, E.S. Andrews was not related to Louis Dalrymple, his wife was.... This tree makes Dollie the "3rd cousin once removed" hardly a relationship she would have known. "Related by marriage&...
by Jackpot
October 5th, 2017, 10:12 am
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Flipper Coin
Replies: 6
Views: 1174

Re: Flipper Coin

IIRC magician's wax was the recommended adhesive when Flipper Coins were popular in the late 80s/early 90s. Johnson Product's website lists a contact phone number, so perhaps that might be the source for the best advice? 626/445/1411. Good advice. You can also use the contact us email link on the w...
by Jackpot
October 4th, 2017, 11:28 pm
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Flipper Coin
Replies: 6
Views: 1174

Re: Flipper Coin

I have heard that a thin coat of rubber cement will work. Never tried it myself.
by Jackpot
July 31st, 2017, 12:14 am
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Dutch Looper / English Monte / English Three Card Trick
Replies: 77
Views: 12905

Re: Dutch Looper / English Monte / English Three Card Trick

A "Scarlett Pimpernel" routine and the gaffed card is described in "Three Card Monte as Entertainment" by Ganson
by Jackpot
July 24th, 2017, 9:23 pm
Forum: Collector's Marketplace
Topic: Magic Live Tickets For Sale
Replies: 13
Views: 1223

Re: Magic Live Tickets For Sale

Mr. Kaufman,

I think we all benefitted and are appreciative because you spent your time writing and illustrating magic books rather becoming more knowledgeable about game show trivia.

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